Stone: On Stalin. He said that, you know,he`s said negtive things about Stalin,uh,and of course, he`s widely condemned in the world. But at the same time, we all know that he lead Russia to victory over Germany, over fascism. And what does he make of that,by,uh... let`s say that ambiguity?
Putin: I think you are a cunning person. hahahahaha...
Stone: He can discuss it tomorrow if he wants.
Putin: No, I am ready to answer now. You know, there was one prominent politican of the past,Winston Churchill. He was very firmly against Sovietism, but once the Second World War started, he was a great advocate of working together with the Soviet Union, and he called Stalin a great war leader and revolutionary. hahahaha... And after the Second World War, as is well known, it was Churchill who initated the Cold War. And when the Soviet Union made the first nuclear test, it was none other than Winston Churchill who announced the need for a co-existence of two systems. He was a very flexible person. But I think that deep down in his heart, his attitude toward Stalin never wavered,never changed. Stalin was a product of his era. You can try to demonize him however much you like. We try to talk about his merits in achieving victory overFascism. As to his demonization, there was such a person in history as Oliver Cromwell.He was a bloodthirsty man who arrived in power on the wave of a revolution and he turned into a dictator and tyrant. And monuments to him are still scattered all across Great Britain. Napoleon is deified. What did he do? He used the surge of revolutionary zeal and arrived in power. And he not just restored the monarchy, he pronounecd himself Emperor. And he led France te to a national catastrophe,to utter defeat. There are many situations, many people like that, more than enough in the world`s history. I think that excessive demonization of Stalin is one of the ways to attack the Soviet Union and Russia, to show that the Russia of today has something originating from Stalinism. Well, of course we all have these birthmarks.
Putin: What I`m saying is that Russia has changed radically. of course, something probably has remained in our mentality. However, this does not mean that we should forget all the atrocities committed under Stalinism, the destruction of millions of our compatriots, the extermination camps. These things are not to be forgotten.
Stone: And your father and your mother admired him,right?
Putin: Yes, certainly. I think the overwhelming majority of citizens of the former Soviet Union admired him.
Stone: If you run again in 2018 and you win, you will be in power another six years, till 2024. You would have been in power as president and prime minister for 24 years, longer than Roosevelt, less than Castro, who was close to 50years, and close to Stalin, who was, give or take 30years. Now, 27years. Does that not scare you? Do you not get used to power? Uh, does it distort your point of view? Do you feel that Russia needs you that badly? Can there not be a healthy competition among successors inside the system? The Chinese one-party system bing an example of competition within the party. The successors are checked out for many years as party members in different provinces.
Putin: The leaders of the former Soviet Union were also checked out and the system still collapsed. henghenghengheng...（好啥好？你懂个啥？他们都是跟苏联学的，结果怎么样？苏联不还是倒台了？）
Stone: Yes That`s true.
Putin: So the question is not about selection. The question you have asked whether Russia needs anyone that bad--Russia it self will decide. An alteration in power certainly has to exist. Indubitably there needs to be a healthy competition in these processes, but this competition should be among people who have in mind the interest of the nation. In the end, let me reiterate--the citizens of Russia are going to make the final decision. Concerning the 2018 elections, I`d like to say there are tings, things that should have some intrigue and mystery. So I am not going to answer this part of the question.
Stone: I understand that. I said "if".
Putin: We shouldn`t speak in the subjunctive mood.
Stone: If...(chuckles) And of course, no matter what, you know,um, democracy itself, whatever we call it, is flawed. And America`s system is, is hardly perfect. We Know that money buys power in America. Certainly Russia has a flawed system. It is like-- unlikely that the next election will convince the world that, uh, this is a democracy, a functioning democracy, unless international monitors were brought in, as Mr. Chavez did in Venezuela. And it became a really transparent process.
Putin: Do you think our goal is to prove anything to anyone? Our goal is to reinforce our country.
Stone: That is a dangerous argument, because, uh...it works both ways. Those who abuse power always say it`s a question of survival.
Putin: We are not talking about survival, and we are not trying to justify ourselves. Certainly taking into account all the negative tendencies you`ve been talking about--the Soviet legacy, the Imperialist legacy, it`s something in the past. But we also have to think about the positive legacy. Russia has been built for a thousand years; it has its own traditions.(听上去有点耳熟) We have our notions of what is just and unjust, we have our own understanding of what defines an efficient goverment. This is not a question of helping someone cling to power or to claim it for myself. This is about ensuring economic growth and sustaining it, improving our Defense capabilities, and not just during periods of crisis and difficulties.
Stone: Mr. Putin, I don`t doubt for one moment your love and pride in serving Russia. It is clear that you are a son of Russia to me and that you`ve done very well by her. But I think we all know the price of power. And when we`re in power, too long, no matter what, we feel the people need us, but at the same time, we`ve changed, and we don`t even know it sometimes,or recognize it.
Putin: Indeed, this is a very dangerous state. If a person in power feels that they have lost it, this bond connecting this person to the country and to the rank and file citizens of the country, then it`s time for them to go.
结束后，普京问，你以前有没有挨过揍啊？有过啊？哦“So it`s not going to be something new, because you are going to suffer for what you are doing.”这话我愣是没看懂啥意思。